Second
session in 2012 of Questions/Answers on Lucifer Rebellion.
PART ONE.
Session 37a of 4 July
2012- recorded- English translation – Original English/French
Location: Mezza Verde in Placencia, Belize
Present: Carole, Cyril and Wivine in Mezza Verde.
Visitors: Tomas
Teacher
Christ Michael - Jesus – Creator Son of our local
universe Nebadon.
Received
by Wivine.
Tomas spoke after 1h17min Total time meditation: 2h57min
TOMAS: Hello this is Tomas
here. We promised you that the
connexions would be better today. You can start with your questions.
Student: Hello “Toomaas” this is Carole with her two questions.
In your last session you mentioned our
planet experienced three rebellions, could you please give us some information
on the other two rebellions and how it has influenced our evolution?
Tomas:
It is only the Lucifer rebellion that occurred in this planetary
System Satania where your planet has no.606.
Normally, a System can have about 1,000 inhabitable planets and in yours there
are still about 400 planets where life must be implemented which means that the
development of Satania is not finished.
The
other 2 rebellions took place in other Constellations, in other planetary
Systems far from you, but in this local universe Nebadon and they had no impact
on Urantia. They have had an influence on the planets of their own system and
these events obviously hampered the development of Nebadon. It must be
understood that the Seven Superuniverses
with their local universes, their Constellations and planetary Systems are
designed to evolve, just like you as an individual, towards Light and Life,
to the level of perfection of Havona and Paradise.
A
rebellion may delay a planetary System and its Constellation and delaying a
Constellation retards the evolution of an entire Local Universe and therefore
the evolution of your Superunivers Orvonton. So, if you help us to
bring Urantia to the early stages of Light and Life you will at the same time help
the advancement of all Nebadon, and accelerate the one of Orvonton. You can't help for now
other planets, but you certainly have an influence on yours.
Does
this answer your question? (Yes, thanks Toomaas).
Student: Is the 4th dimension a place of pure negative energy and if so how is
it affecting our 3rd dimension?
Tomas:
what you call the 4th dimension or the 'borderland'
is not necessarily negative everywhere. Your Midwayers also live in this 4th dimension and it is composed of many
places of which only some are very dark.
The
Rebellion is officially over. All the leaders of the
rebellion of Lucifer and other rebellions have been brought to justice. Many
have chosen "de-creation" as well as their companions but others
however agreed to accept rehabilitation programs.
Compare
the current situation to a house that has been squatted and much has been
destroyed. Imagine all the dirt staying there after the squatters have been
removed and where still a few subordinate entities live, those who followed,
not leaders, try to hide to go on with their business. They hide because they don’t
know what to do else. We are evacuating all these entities and souls right now,
but dirt must be removed and what is damaged must be repaired.
Have
you ever seen a squatted building after the departure of the squatters which
was in perfect condition before? You must restore, remove dirt, clean and
repaint and this is the kind of work in which you help us. You are a 'special
team', trained and educated with specific powers to act and be able to do this
work. We will not describe all the scenes you can find there, no, it would look
like a horror movie and frighten you, which is not necessary.
Be
aware that those malicious and dark practices that are held here on Urantia,
regardless their names have their projection in the 4th dimension. All this
must be removed and you already deliver good work with the Midwayers and other Beings
who work in this field and which help you.
Does this answer
your question? (Yes, Tomas. Thank you.)
{Note Wivine: the French
questions and answers start from here.}
Student:
When we move on to the Mansion Worlds are
we going to continue to help our world and perhaps do other "cleansing
work" on other planets like we do now or will there be other things
awaiting us, because I love the work we do?
Tomas:
this is a continuation of the previous answer. Indeed, you are a group who has
been trained for this work and later when you leave Urantia you will go to
schools on the Mansion Worlds where you will learn a lot and you will be of ongoing
support in this area for other planets.
Since
Christ Michael received full powers and became Master
Sovereign of his local universe Nebadon no more
rebellions will occur. However, there is still much to be done and in your time
calculation it will probably take a hundred more years to clean all the rebellion
planets and there will be many more things that you'll be able to do which are
not yet revealed to you.
You
will understand when you’ll arrive on the First
Mansion World. Your group is closely linked; you work well together and
perhaps others will join you later on Mansonia Number
one. You will continue to do the kind of work that you like and for
which you are trained although you will achieve it on a different level and
with other capabilities.
You'll
surely receive other tasks to accomplish when you will evolve out there that are more difficult to explain, but which you will understand
once you will be there. Work and School never stops and learning with the Melchizedeks always includes practical training. They will
give you theoretical lessons as well as resources and capabilities to perform tasks.
Once you have completed your practical exercises and acquired sufficient
experience you can move on to the next level.
You are now under
the tutelage of the Melchizedeks. Also here you
learn through experiences. It is only when you have experienced strange things
during your activities that you come up with questions and receive gradually
your answers.
Was this the answer
to your question? (Yes Tomas and thank you).
Student:
I would like to know very simply what
exactly Lucifer and Caligastia did to bring Earth in difficulties and how Jesus
intervened to resolve the problem. I understood that he could not resolve
everything otherwise we wouldn't have this "cleansing" work to do.
The
Melchizedeks have opened schools
specifically to study this phenomenon and the consequences of the rebellion in
the System of Satania in which a total of 37 planetary Princes participated.
You
need to understand that Lucifer was
a Primary
Lanonandek Son, created by Christ Michael
and Nebadonia. Lucifer had a remarkable intelligence but began to
cultivate his pride. He corrupted his mind to show that he could do which was an
attribute of God. The first thing he did was to deny the existence of the First
Source and Center, The Universal Father and refused to follow the guidelines of
the local universe of Christ Michael. He accepted Christ Michael as his father,
but not his authority and eventually turned himself against his own father.
All
Celestials of a Superunivers and a local universe are created for one purpose
and that’s to assist in the development of your soul from the very beginning,
right here on your planet, so that your soul can survive physical death; be
strong enough to have the will and desire to continue her evolution on the Morontia Worlds, next the Spiritual
Worlds of the Superunivers and later on the Worlds of Havona and Paradise until
she can join The Universal Father to be
embraced by Him and eventually join the "Corps of Finality”.
Lucifer
did convince thousands of Angels on Jerusem, approximately 700,000 Material Sons and Daughters (Adam’s and
Eve’s), a mass of Morontia Companions and a large part of the Angels
of the planetary Governments. He gave to the
planetary Princes who followed him full
authority to act as they wished, to act against the Order of the Universe, the Paradise
Sons and the High ranked Celestials administering the Universes.
Then
many things went wrong and as if that wasn't enough, they have transformed the
"Morontia life circuits" of
Urantia.
I'll
first explain the word "Morontia": Morontia material and energy are
life energies of the Universe whose composition is between the ‘pure material’
and the ‘pure spiritual’. 'Morontia material' and 'Morontia energy circuits'
are therefore half-materiel and half-spiritual. You are familiar with the
material worlds and its energies, but imagine that there is such a thing as 'spiritual energy' and 'spiritual energy systems' that are
completely invisible to the physical eye and neither for the 'eyes' of the Morontia soul.
Even when you will live on the Morontia Worlds you will not be able to discern without
help the High Spiritual Beings of Paradise, Havona and the Superunivers... you
may feel them or see them as a few light flashes but that’s all.
Lucifer
was placed 2,000 years ago on a prison planet
until his trial but Christ aloud Caligastia to
walk around freely during some period of time on your planet with his
companions without authorization to exercise his former function as planetary Prince. Caligastia knew very well that
he could not continue his misdeeds and that he would be one day brought before
Court which led him to make many abominations to get revenge. He tampered with
human DNA so that you could no longer make the necessary genetic
"jumps" on the physical level and mind level as it was originally
planned in the "life plasma" the Life
Carriers introduced and he knew very well that this was considered a
very serious crime by the Universe.
You
can compare it to people who hide their small children or babies in a cave
giving them just some food without love or activities to grow properly. There
is sufficient documentation in your libraries on the subject and you know very
well that these children are much less likely to develop spiritually and mentally
compared to a child that grows in normal conditions with loving parents, a
healthy family environment and lots of development opportunities. It is well
known in your pedagogy and psychology that there are parts of the brain and body
that need to be developed from a very young age, so that the child can grow up
and become an adult with a well-developed brain, body, mind and intelligence.
I
hope that this example suffices for you to understand what he has done to avoid
that human souls continue their path to Paradise.
In
second place comes the fact that Christ Michael ended the rebellion only since
two thousand years because he always refused to use his power as the Creator of
this local universe. He has therefore done it during his earthly life as Jesus: as a man among men.
It
is neither Christ Michael who will judge the
celestials that participated in the rebellions. He gave order to lock them up
on a Jerusem prison planet, but he will not render
judgment. The Ancients
of Days of the Superunivers will do so through their courts, with
the help of their Seconaphim - the
reflective angels, their Legal Advisers and Conciliators who will examine case-by-case and
give a fair trial to each celestial that has contributed to the rebellion.
All
this takes time. All these celestials had first to be tried before we could
intervene. During that time there were still angels of the rebellion remaining
on earth which have been replaced or removed now. However, there is a lot of
damage that must be repaired and human beings must consciously contribute to
the renovation of their planet. There is never Divine intervention without the cooperation
of mortals.
It
is up to you to decide and choose if you want to contribute. You here, you have
chosen for this and you received the necessary capabilities. It was your choice
to serve in this area and others may prefer a totally different field to
provide relief.
Of
course 200,000 years or even 2,000 years are an eternity for you but not for
us, not for The
Trinity and the Gods of Paradise. For them, 200,000 years are only 3
days.
Do
not forget the great mercy of Christ Michael
which he has from his Mother, The Eternal
Son-Mother, and which is also a great feature of your Master Spirit-AYA.
Many opportunities and possibilities of salvation are offered to all celestials
that made mistakes, who haven't understood what happened and who even took the
wrong path. This is also a reason why it has taken so long.
With
regard to the work that remains to be done, The Universal Father and Christ
Michael have put all means at disposal and now it is up to you to act. Take
your broom in hand and begin to clean. Nothing is done without the help and
cooperation of Man otherwise your evolution would be worthless.
Thank
you for your question.
Student:
I read in the Urantia Book the papers on
the life of Jesus. What wondered me the most is the role of Mary his mother, it
seems that she did not understand the exact role of her son and did not invest
her to help him. But she appeared all around the world and is considered a
Saint, a mother who has been with her son and who understood and supported him.
Thank you for your comments.
Christ Michael
here: my children, I will answer you myself to clear up this confusion.
To
receive full powers and become Master Sovereign of Nebadon, my local universe,
as a Creator
Son and a Son of Paradise, I had
to live a life in "seven Orders” of my own creation. I started with a life
as a Melchizedek, then as a Lanonandek and for my seventh
and final bestowal, I had to choose a planet to life the experience
of a human being and my choice fell on Urantia,
your planet.
However,
I had taken on me a supplementary and ambitious mission during my seven bestowals and
one of its components was to reveal during
my human life The Universal Father and The Supreme Being to each Man, each ascending soul
and all Angels of all Nebadon.
The
Lucifer rebellion gave me a broader frame with more contrast to reveal My Father, The Universal Father, and The Universe Mother- The Supreme Being in which you live and which
continues to grow thanks to the contribution of your actions, your decisions
and your experiences.
When
a Creator Son takes upon him the life of a human he must be conceived and born
as a mortal child: from a man and a woman. Of course they sought for me the
most appropriate parents because I was a Creator Son with a Mission and I needed
a physical body able to express my Divine Qualities. Several couples were
selected and the final choice fell on those you know under the names of Joseph
and Mary.
When
Gabriel,
my first-born, came to tell her when she was pregnant that her child had a Mission
to accomplish, she did not really understand what he meant.
There
was since a long time among Jews, and my earthly mother was Jewish, a prophecy
that one day a Messiah would come that would chase the Romans with his divine
powers; who would become King of their nation, who would give them back their ancient
glory and become rulers over the world. I explain it very simply as has been
requested.
The
family where I was born, the villages where I grew up were in the region of the
Zealots. The Zealots took up arms against the Romans and began to attack them a
bit like your current terrorists do. By the fact that my Father Joseph died
when I was 15 and I had to sustain my family as the eldest son, we were able to
avoid that I had to take arms against the occupier by joining them.
There
were in those days two political viewpoints: one group
wanted a Messiah who would help them implement a free Jewish State in a
peaceful manner and the second group was looking for a leader who would chase
the Romans with weapons to make the Jewish nation huge, rich and strong. My earthly
mother had also her ambitions for me as did my brothers and sisters and the
people of my village. She hoped that one day I would become this “Supra-Human
and powerful King” that was expected. When I was 20 years old I left home and transmitted
the responsibility for my family to my younger brothers who were in age to do
so. I made several long journeys which kept me away from my family for a long
time.
You
must understand that when you start, just like me in those days, to follow the
path towards The Father, when you begin to cooperate with your indwelling Fragment
The Father gave you to communicate with him, that you will become a person who
will walk on this earth, but not be part of it. It may be that you’ll get more
and more problems with your family, your friends and your environment because
they will not understand you. They will expect things of you and if you don't
give them they will be disappointed and may even go up to reject you, you and
all that you represent. This is what I lived and some of my Apostles.
However,
my mother always loved me and when I was imprisoned and nailed on the cross she
always remained close to me. She suffered greatly at the sight of my agony as
any loving mother, but she never understood me.
I took
my decision just before the celebration of the Jewish Eastern Fest in Jerusalem
where many pilgrims came from everywhere. The mass that followed me expected that
I would walk into the Temple of Jerusalem with a lot of fanfare, that I would
announce I was the long expected " Messiah" and I'd let me crown
'King of the Jews' and ‘Master of the Temple of Jerusalem' by the people.
Unfortunately
I had to disappoint them because I refused!
I
took a donkey and I simply entered the temple where I declared publicly that I
had chosen the "Kingdom of Heaven", the ‘Celestial Jerusalem’ and
that I refused to be crowned 'King of the Jewish nation’.
This
declaration was for many a huge disappointment and shortly after, I ended up on
the cross.
My
earthly mother developed her soul with her Thought Adjuster just like you do. Marie is an
ascending soul and she understood who I was when she arrived on the First Mansion World. Mary was my earthly mother
and my Divine Mother is The Eternal Son.
My
companion and Divine Minister is Nebadonia who created with me all the planets and Celestials
of our Local Universe Nebadon. She is your Mother
Spirit, Daughter of The Infinite Spirit.
As
you know there is a lot of confusion among you on this topic. This is one reason
we have decided to give you the Urantia Book as 5th Revelation so that you have
a basis to help you get out of the enormous confusion that reigns on your world
in all religions and philosophies.
Let
us speak now about the Marian apparitions.
The
Marian apparitions are often in areas where there is a risk of bursting of wars
or violent events. They always occur in places where there is a former Light Anchor
because it facilitates the densification of a celestial Morontia
body in such a way that it can be seen by young children.
It
is always an Angel of a non-revealed Order of your Mother Spirit who appears
and who is asked to deliver a message. Of course young Christian children are
going to see in her "Virgin Mary". If it was always the same Celestial
Being she would be described always the same way, but everywhere she is seen
and described differently.
It
is through this indirect way that your local
universe Mother Spirit can manifest in a female form: loving and gentle
towards her earthly children by giving them a message of peace. The confusion
with Mary, my earthly mother is certainly understandable. Be aware that Mary sometimes
talks to you also through some transmitters/receivers of messages.
That’s all I wish to say about it, because it is not
good to undermine a believe system and that People pray to Mary for help and
see in these apparitions Mary or that they directly pray Nebadonia for help is
not important. It is your Mother Spirit Nebadonia with the powers she received
from The Infinite Spirit who hears your prayers and who helps you.
Check where and when these apparitions took place and
know that there were also apparitions in the Arab world (Egypt).
This phenomenon also implements a great celestial power in some regions to form
a counterweight against the prevailing darkness.
Thank you for your question.
End Part One.
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